tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4779259220257272689.post3374882621800873481..comments2023-06-24T04:22:28.276-04:00Comments on Go like water.: MFA not MRS.Stevenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03893392324561217969noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4779259220257272689.post-13001414031371776832008-11-20T17:21:00.000-05:002008-11-20T17:21:00.000-05:00Okay, now I remember why your name is familiar. I ...Okay, now I remember why your name is familiar. I love to discuss these issues, but if you can't be nice, I'll delete your comments. This is my house. If you come in here and insult me, I'll ask you to leave.<BR/><BR/>My main point is that I don't agree with the people who are pushing for same-sex marriage. I don't agree that they are fighting for something that is of benefit to sexual minorities in general, let alone to me personally, so why would I want to roll up my sleeves, as you say? I can't have a meaningful argument with you if you don't, or if you refuse to, understand that. And you didn't answer my question: How is it that same-sex marriage will broaden the recognition of other types of family arrangements?<BR/><BR/>You haven't responded to anything I've said, except that I'm not in favor of same-sex civil marriage. You take that one fact and tell me all kinds of reasons why that makes me an asshole, but you haven't responded to any of the points I've made to support my argument.<BR/><BR/>Let's talk about it, if you really want to. Otherwise, move along.Stevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03893392324561217969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4779259220257272689.post-31657540411300658712008-11-20T11:07:00.000-05:002008-11-20T11:07:00.000-05:00Respond more fully - piece by piece - and tell us ...Respond more fully - piece by piece - and tell us what you need to make sense of. If you can read, you can respond. What are the legal issues involved? <BR/><BR/>Simple dismissal is easy, and I suppose you can do that...just like you do with people who are fighting for you (and everyone else) to have options. <BR/><BR/>The Mark Twain quote is quite applicable. Here you have people who are trying to do good for you, and all you do is play backbiter and whine. Or, you could roll up your sleeves, get involved, and tell people what you want and fight for that within the movement that's currently happening.<BR/><BR/>But that would require effort. Much like the whole whinefest about applying for jobs earlier in the year -- it's just so much easier to bitch than to work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4779259220257272689.post-85908140855720767022008-11-19T22:49:00.000-05:002008-11-19T22:49:00.000-05:00I think you have a very limited understanding of t...I think you have a very limited understanding of the legal issues involved. I'm not a lawyer, but I can recommend a great book written by a lawyer about this issue, called Beyond (Gay and Straight) Marriage.<BR/><BR/>Most of what you say I can't make sense of (in fact it gets a little surreal by the time Mark Twain shows up), but I will respond to your first sentence: How so? By fighting for marriage, how are you fighting for other types of families? I don't understand how that works.<BR/><BR/>Of course civil same-sex marriage is about limiting my options -- it limits my options to just ONE, if I want my family to be recognized and supported by the government. If I am not married (regardless of whether I want to be married or not), my family doesn't exist in the eyes of my government.Stevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03893392324561217969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4779259220257272689.post-37331130805959764982008-11-19T19:09:00.000-05:002008-11-19T19:09:00.000-05:00In the fight to have marriage equality, rights for...In the fight to have marriage equality, rights for other forms of families ARE fought for: domestic partner benefits, including those for relatives who share a home, are part of those wins. How can you ignore that? This is still a fight to expand what the "traditional" view of family is -- and a fight for those who ARE raising children, or caring for someone who isn't well, for examples, to be able to protect their family as easily as possible under the law (as any married couple can do). Note that the California effort never said anything about doing away with civil unions or domestic partnerships, but wanted to expand the options to include the same option as heterosexual couples have if they wish -- marriage.<BR/><BR/>What's interesting is that you seems to be projecting your own dogma onto those who fight for marriage equality. <I>You</I> don't feel the need to pursue marriage, so no one else should be, either, you say. Yet, what those who seek marriage equality are doing is, in fact, looking for people to have options! The full range of options that any heterosexual pair has...domestic or civil partnership, "just living together", marriage, what-have-you. They are not seeking to remake what <I>your</I> options are, but instead to broaden them for everyone who wants to have them.<BR/><BR/>It is very easy to want to continue to play the counterculture punk and sneer at those who are still fighting to expand your rights. They fight and win more options for you, but you can stand back, sneer at them, and do nothing...yet you benefit. You've fought upstream all your life -- and here, people are clearing some of the way to offer you options on how and with whom you swim...and heaven help them.<BR/><BR/>Reminds me of a quote attributed to Mark Twain:<BR/><BR/>"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. That is the principal difference between a dog and a man."<BR/><BR/>This is not to say, by any means, that the movement is perfect...but it truly looks as though you're more interested in containing them than they are you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com